Sunday, December 19, 2004

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To stop cocaiane they have spray large areas with huge crop killers.My idea would to provide afganistan and iraq, a total free market to america. This would hopely provide the chance to sell somthing where the farmers could make more moeny than poppies, though i do not know if that is possible.

cube @ 12.09.04 - 11:31 am

To make poppy less profitable than food? That can only happen if the addicts in the West get an alternative source. The only other option I see is to make poppy farming dangerous - but that wouldn't take the revenue down by much, because it will just get more expensive. Destroying poppy crop cheaply and in large quantities might help, but I'm not sure if there's a legal basis for that. I don't know if it's doable and who can do it.The problem with heroin is that some people want it, and they want it badly enough to commit crimes and pay a lot of monet for it. Dealing with the demand side of the equation can be even more difficlt than the supply side.

Ivan Lenin @ 12.09.04 - 12:14 pm

Well my idea revoles around one assumption. Poppie farming is profitable, but it MAY NOT be profitable for the farmers (it might even be a little dangerous).So you only have to find a crop that the FARMERS can make close to as much money, and loose the danger factor (of couse you will have the mob reprisal effect, that will need to be dealt with)

cube @ 12.10.04 - 10:04 am

i doubt the farmers are taking home much of the money the poppies bring in

cube @ 12.10.04 - 10:05 am

As always, fox news is about 8 days behind me.

Poppies are not a cash crop for Afghan farmers. Most of them eke out a hand-to-mouth existence by selling poppies to rich drug lords. So the Afghan government, with U.S. support, is trying to convince farmers there to try a new crop, one that would be more profitable and beneficial



Andrew said...

And the drug lords will increase the farmer's share.

Rinse, repeat.

No legal crop can compete with poppies in that region. And because the law is loose in post-war Afghanistan, and Western-style democracies have to put on a pretty humanitarian face, nobody can efficiently enforce regultions. So they have poppies and they will have poppies.

A better temporary solution would be to make it legal for farmers to produce it, and have the government buy and dispose of as much as possible until demand can be controlled. If nothing else, it would turn the drug lords from territorial warlords to back-alley import-export dealers competing against government buyers. This divestment of territorial power, in turn, would help stabilize the political situation and allow the development of new competitive land use programs on a larger time-scale.

Cubicle said...

"And the drug lords will increase the farmer's share."

I think they would probably threathen force before they did that.

I do not think their would be much of a chance of them increaseing the farmers share. I could happen, i just do not see it happening.

Cubicle said...

they reason i do not see the farmers share increasing is because the people in charge are money hungry and power hungry. they re not running a business but a drug cartel.

Of couse i suspect a few might do tht, but as a whole i think we could try to wean the afgan farmers off the poppy

Andrew said...

You don't think a drug cartel is a business?

Cubicle said...

oh it is a business, but not every business has a small army at its disposal, and not every industry is in the habit of breaking the law and ruining the lives of people.

It is a business, but the normal rules of business do not apply. In this case the best way of keeping the bottom lne from costing more may not be by paying more for it to secure a supply, you could just force the people to do it (mob reprisal effect, i mentioned)