Sunday, December 12, 2004

You cannot ship alcohol but you can ship a gun....

In Tennessee you cannot ship wine to some one, you cannot order it online. This is a shame for the people in the city of Memphis, one of the main hubs for Fedx. Memphians always get stuff very quick when it is shipped through fedx. The main argument that I have heard against allowing the shipments of wine are based on preventing minors from getting alcohol.

"As for protecting minors, does Michigan really believe that a 16 year-old is going to swipe his Dad's credit card and order a case of Opus One on line? "

first I would like to point out that this techcentral guy is a moron. Yes, the kids will use their dad's credit card. By the time he gets the statement, they have reaped the reward. More importantly, a smarter more independent child, who works, and has a checking account of their own might be able to get a debit card. They might be able to use the debit card on line to get the alcohol.

For that reason, I consider the argument that kids might buy the alcohol online a good one. I also belive it becomes mute once you realize that you can buy guns online. The catch is that guns cannot be shipped to you home (unless it is a private transfer of some kind, but I have no idea if that is legal, or what steps must be taken to ensure the legality of that action.), they must be shipped to your FFL ( a federally licensed firearm dealer). In effect guns travel the same distribution which presently exists. I see no reason why alcohol could not travel the same pathway which exists for that product.

Will it increase the cost of wine? You bet ya. Will you be able to buy as much as you want from home? You bet ya.

cube

7 comments:

Vestigial Fish said...

Maybe this would be a little too Big Brother, but most Credit Card companies I've seen require your birth date and Social Security number. Seems to me it wouldn't be too hard to add a "Is this joker 18" or "Is this joker 21" check on a Credit Card purchase.

Cubicle said...

the infomation proably already is there, it is just a mater of using it or not.

I would agree to somthing like that, as long as there are easy methods for fixing mistakes

Sojourner said...

"More importantly, a smarter more independent child, who works, and has a checking account of their own might be able to get a debit card."
OH, cube my man, you are a genius! *throws out fake ID*

Sojourner said...

In response to what Vestigal Fish said, I used to just move the date back when I was too young for some porn sites; and if I complained enough about the dangers of giving out my SSN online, I'm sure they'd allow me to place an order.

Cubicle said...

LSOB,

you are 18 right? I happen to know you have a job. I assume you have a checking account.

This information is not meant to abuse or break the law, and is not meant to "teach" you how to break the law. It is just a thought expirement on what could possibly be done, based on what i know about credit cards and debit cards (they seem to be interchangeable). This information is not meant to be used, and if you use this information it does make me and accessory to any crime that you might commit.

That being said, tell me if it works :).

cube

Dave Justus said...

I think you missed the point of what Bainbridge was saying. He wasn't saying that a teen wouldn't steal dad's credit card to get booze, he was saying that a teen most likely wouldn't be too interested in the reletively pricey wine that is sold over the internet.

Further, if you can order wine directly from instate producers but not from out of state producers, if there is a problem with under-age people ordering wine then the law as it stands does not prevent that at all, merely forces them (and all of the legal-aged people) to only by wine from in-state businesses.

Cubicle said...

"he was saying that a teen most likely wouldn't be too interested in the reletively pricey wine that is sold over the internet."

hah hah, he does not know teenagers then. They are intrested in all alchol. Though if you can buy the expenisve stuff you can proably buy the cheap stuff also. I have seen pre-teens buy mouthwash before.

As the the commerce clause. I agree with him on that point. I was just pointing out that the arguement he dismissed so easily cannot be dismissed as easily as he thinks. I think LOSB proves my point on that one.